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'An aphorism, properly stamped and molded, has not been "deciphered" when it has simply been read; rather one has then to begin its interpretation, for which is required an art of interpretation.' -- Nietzsche, 'On the Genealogy of Morals'

Bataille, mysticism, Nietzsche #2 « Previous | |Next »
February 3, 2005

I would say that Bataille is an atheistic mystic who responds to the modern chasm between a theological Christian doctrine and a privatised lived spirituality that participates in the "nothingness" beyond all signifiers, and which transgresses all boundaries in a desolate nihilistic world.

So what does that mean?

Here is something to consider. It is an abstract of a paper on Bataille, religion and Nietzsche by Jim Urpeth that may be of some help. Jim says:

"Bataille's thought constitutes the most significant manifestation and development of the religious dimension of Nietzsche's thought. Following Nietzsche, Bataille offers a religious critique of Christianity. Central to Bataille´s perspective is the identification of a specifically religious form of 'eroticism' or self-expenditure. Bataille explores the affectivity of this 'religious eroticism' which he describes in terms of the interplay of 'anxiety' and 'joy' that characterises the 'experience' of the 'limit' or the transition across ontological planes he variously terms 'continuity' and 'discontinuity' or 'intimacy' and the 'order of things'. For Bataille a key religious phenomenon in this respect is 'mysticism', the states of ecstatic self-loss that characterises 'divine love'. Bataille valorises the 'sovereignty' of the mystics who, determined by the most fundamental processes of energetic matter, live beyond utility in disregard of 'project'. The key themes of this aspect of Bataille's thought, which resonate with elements of ... Nietzsche's ...thought are 'un-knowing' and 'communication'. However, in contrast to Nietzsche, Bataille .... offers an immanent critique of Christianity, which affirms traces of the 'sacred' within its predominantly 'profane' orientation."

What does this give us?

Well, we have a conscious reworking of Nietzsche's conception of Dionysus as opposed to Christ; and the idea of sacrifice [as] an ongoing quest for liberative potentials in the conjunction of violence and an atheistic 'religious spirit'. The Dionysian is affirmed in opposition to the Apollinian world of christian love and the crystalline beauty of a mathematically ordered, harmonious cosmos.

Then we have bodily function opposed to the head repressing and harnessing for utilitarian ends the free flow of vital forces. The affirmation of the body is also an embrace the Dionysian, as the unsubordinated expenditure of desire in laughter and tears, ecstasy and madness, vice and revolt, eroticism and death.

How then does this constitute a religion without a god in Bataille's hands?

The duality of the "sacred" and the "profane" in this Dionysisian celebration operate in terms of the elevated acts of profanation or desecration becoming singular mystical moments of Oneness with the All. The act of willfully violating taboos offers privileged access to the holy or sacred.

It is the nothingness that resonates. Bataille's lacerating" form of meditation (spirtual exercises) aims to induce a catastrophic dissolution of the self. It is only in such moments that Bataille could experience ecstasy and a form of communion. So he sought to plunge himself into nothingness: Here is his description of the resulting experience in Inner Experience:

"Contemplating night, I see nothing, love nothing. I remain immobile, frozen, absorbed in IT. I can imagine a landscape of terror, sublime, the earth open as a volcano, the sky filled with fire, or any other vision capable of "putting the mind into ecstasy"; as beautiful and disturbing as it may be, night surpasses this limited 'possible' and IT is nothing, there is nothing in IT which can be felt, not even finally darkness. In IT, everything fades away, but, exorbitant, I traverse an empty depth and the empty depth traverses me. In IT, I communicate with the "unknown" opposed to the ipse which I am; I become ipse, unknown to myself, two terms merge in a single wrenching, barely differing from a void -- not able to be distinguished from it by anything that I can grasp -- nevertheless differing from it more than does the world of a thousand colors." (pp.124-225)

That is a mystical experience of the void in which there is a fusion of subject and object.

| Posted by Gary Sauer-Thompson at 2:04 PM | | Comments (11)
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Sounds like a really interesting essay. Apparently it was published in a book that emerged from the conference, Nietzsche and the Divine. Unfortunately for me, there's no copy in the La Trobe library.

Joe,

You may find this article of interest.

Bataille was a hedonist, a whoremonger, a freak with some writing skills: Nietzsche he wasn't.

ye gods to see some philosophy done apollonian: it is the dionysian post.mods--whether right Nietzschean/Heideggerian or left Foucaultian/marxist-- that have held forth for years, and pop culture and what passes for politics also reveal dionysian ecstasy, if not madness; let's hear it for the resurrection of Russell.........better Quine than another f-n eurotrash belle-lettrist...........

Gary, may I suggest that you quickly ban this "logos" character if you haven't done so already. For an ample sampling of what's in store if you don't: http://www.cinestatic.com/infinitethought/2005_02_01_infinitethought_a.asp#110754121126731775

He needs to be turned over to his parents.

Logos,

fine. Well expressed.Though I struggle to put Heidegger into the Dionysisan category. That is more Bataille don't you think?

I thought that Bertrand Russell and Quine were a good read and I enjoyed reading them. What particular aspect of their philosophy or analytic metaphysics do you have in mind?

Since Russell kept on changing his mind about things so often we need to get a bit more specific.

Thrilled to see

Logos charges up the atmosphere.

I will see how things go.

Russell's early writing on language such On Denoting is to me worthwhile; there are excerpts from the Principia Mathematica, however turgidly written, which remain relevant. I have read through the Tractatus and most of PI, and I tend to think Russell and Popper's view--that the the later Witt. was in many ways irrelevant if not trivial--is correct. The verification and falsifiability criteria stressed by the analytical school are sorely lacking in modern academia, however boring or philistine-like that may sound.

I also find that some of the greatest censors and silencers of debate tend to be post.mod. cafe type who have converted philosophy into a sort of poetics..........

Logos,
you may find that what you call poetics may very well be concerned with language and representation. It may question the mirror conception of language as representation, and seek another way of understanding language that makes sense of other practices.

For instance, art is not the same as science, and so they have different understandings of language.