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'An aphorism, properly stamped and molded, has not been "deciphered" when it has simply been read; rather one has then to begin its interpretation, for which is required an art of interpretation.' -- Nietzsche, 'On the Genealogy of Morals'

Bataille: the sacred « Previous | |Next »
November 27, 2003

Trevor, some people who have been reading this weblog have commented on the difficulty they are experiencing in understanding Bataille They have asked for a bit of help in terms of links.

In this post I will spell out Bataille's conception of the sacred. Here is a link to discussion on Bataille and the sacred on the ABC's Encounter program. That program explores the connections between religion and life. The link gives some background to the way Bataille has been received in Australia. The connections between Chritianity, the sacred and continental philosophy are briefly explored here.

Bataille's conception of the sacred is part of his critique of modernity. This is an the larger cultural framework through which market capitalism debases the world by means of the commodification of the individual's relation to the spiritual and the physical. This commodification of life separates the physical from the spiritual and constructs the very categories that constrict us as subjects.

The philosophical context is provided by Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit which charts the historical disappearance of the Sacred as the condition of the possibility of modern reason that is increasingly conceived of as a mere means-purpose relation. So we have the loss of a whole range of human experiences that do not fit into the categories of an instrumental reason that is concerned with utility.

On Bataille's account transgressing this modern enframing of our mode of life by instrumental reason involves a sense of the sacred that is tied to the sacrificial. The sacrificial (eg., van Gogh's act of cutting off his ear) transgresses the clearly marked line of utility within modern European culture. It goes beyond the rational, the scientific, the normal; and points to a beyond of modern liberal culture. This is both beyond Europe and beyond modernity, as it points to a more primal and primary state before modernity. Sacrifice points to, or opens up, a pathway to the spiritual.

So Bataille’s philosophical relationship to Hegel's philosophical narrative of modernity is to reveal the ‘impossible’ and ‘unthinkable’ ‘Other’ of Hegel’s spirit of modernity. In his Theory of Religion (1948), he argues for a ‘return to the Sacred’ by withdrawing the ‘thing’ from the sphere of profane objectivity of instrumental reason and restoring it to its sacred origin. This restitution, according to Bataille, is the meaning of ritual sacrifice as a religious practice, as we encounter it in archaic religions. It is an interruption of the profane secular production process, in which suddenly and violently, the Sacred reappears.

It is transgression of taboos which gives human beings access to the sacred itself. If the profane world is the world of taboos, then the sacred world depends on limited acts of transgression. It is the world of celebrations, sovereign rulers, and God. Acts that would be unthinkable in the everyday world, (such as adultery, homosexuality and other forms of non-reproductive sexuality, drug use, cannibalism, incest, human sacrifice) are permitted and even required in the realm of the sacred.

Bataille would argue that what is declared to be taboo is prohibited precisely because it offers, as it were, a doorway to the sacred.

| Posted by Gary Sauer-Thompson at 7:39 AM | | Comments (3)
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Thanks for this entry and the one following.
I appreciate your time in trying to set this out more clearly. Doesn't strike me as an easy task.

I have to admit, that I do get a bit delirious about some of the references to Christianity. I guess I can say, hey that's life but permit me some spleen Gary:

The opening statement of one article...

"In esoteric Christianity, to choose
a starting point, the notion of the Fall denotes that of pre-physical spirit/consciousness, the fall of pure spirit into the bonds of matter. It was a Fall into the enslavement of physical restraints and pragmatics; as well as physical needs and desires (the fallen angels
were first cast out of heaven because of a desire to sit closer to God).

Numerous strains of religious thought have
stressed the goal of liberation from material
enslavement and most especially from desire, which
is in effect the front line of material and bodily
enslavement; thus the Franciscan vows of poverty, the hindhu-buddhist concept of nirvana, (achieving the absence of desire) etc."

'Esoteric' would be a mild understatement. Try extraterrestial. I am curious where such authors get their conceptions of Christianity or why they choose an 'esoteric' variety above the 'traditional'. A definition of the 'esoteric' would be good. A few sources might be better. A statement why the 'esoteric' (or try 'unorthodox') should be used for comparison. "The fall of pure spirit into the bonds of matter"??? Sheesh!

Philosophers may like to separate body and spirit or posit one as higher than the other in some form. And it's unfortunate that many Christians have fallen into that form of anthropological duality (largely due to the influence of Philosophy particularly in popular and pietistic literature) not to mention dualities of other kinds. But both Judaism and Christianity don't make that distinction nor posit a such a hierarchy. Never have. The enslavement of the physical? We then die and become these little disembodied spirits floating around in some ether called heaven where we are truly free?

Is everyone who writes this stuff some sort of screwed up lapsed Catholic of the extra-biblical kind or something? Or some Spong devotee. Or not capable of dealing with Christianity as anything but a monolith of their own choosing? Preferably a monolith of the unrepresentative kind?

OK I'm all done now. And I still say thanks for spelling this out and giving us the links

Saint,

I have memnories as a child sitting in mass in a Catholic church reading the lives of saints. What struck me at the time was the emphasis on physical torture and the graphic descriptions of the torture and suffering endured. The flesh was mutilated but the spirit remained true to Christ/God etc.

I remember reading other stories of saints whipping themselve, inflicting pain on their bodies, daily self-flagelation to punish the body for its desires. This is sacrifice.

So I disagree with your conception of Christianity in which you state that it does not make a hierarchical distinction betwen spirit and body.

It is not just philosophers separating the body an mind----eg., Rene Descartes----it was also the Catholic Church and the mystical Christian tradition of being the desert fighting off the temptations of Satan.

Gary,

I apologise if I came across as strident. I just had a bit of a spit.

The author which I quoted (from one of your links) shows great misunderstanding if they can lump together Franciscan vows of poverty with concepts of Nirvana. Nice of you to try and defend them. I wouldn't.

But since you did...

I don't discount what you read as a kid (Protestants, Orthodox etc read the lives of "saints" as well). Naturally too, as someone who grew up an atheist, one who has never been a Catholic, and has never been 'formally' catechized in any tradition, I speak from a very limited viewpoint -as that of a pretty ordinary, average Aussie Christian. I am neither a theologian nor a philosopher. I attend an Anglican church if you want to know, but I don't describe myself as 'Anglican' because I don't know what that means and it's irrelevant anyway.

If you were going to use your examples, I would nevertheless make a distinction between those who suffer torture, suffering at the hands of others because they are Christians - those that are 'persecuted' if you like - and those who purposefully inflict pain on themselves. I'm not sure the former are relevant here. As to the self-flagellators, the pole sitters, the desert fathers - yes I am not surprised that you would draw them into the discussion. (Even Martin Luther wasn't averse to self-flagellation until the penny dropped for him - while sitting on the bog no less. Don't anyone ever tell me that our heavenly Father's middle name is not 'irony').

But if you wanted to use the latter group - well this is not monolithic - some would distinguish between say eremetics, contemplatives etc. and maybe include a category for crackpots as well. If you were to use them as some point of contrast with Bataille I would still ask questions or ask you to make further distinctions.

"Daily self-flagelation to punish the body for its desires" as "sacrifice"? But just because someone does it and thinks it is, or someone else says it is, does it make it true?

(and here I have just deleted a big section as you are probably not interested)

If I was a purist I would tell you that there is no such thing as 'Christianity'. But we do use the term. Generally we can understand what people mean by 'Christianity' from the context in which it is used. But as some are seeking to compare 'Christianity' with the philosophy of Bataille, it would help if people defined what they are comparing him with a little more precisely, particularly if you are going to limit Christianity to mean the individual, subjective experience of a few and are going to interpret that a certain way. (In any case, all Christians are called to interpret their experience through the objective lens of scripture, scripture which all Christians accept as the revealed word of God. A lot of what passes as 'spiritual' or 'mystical' experience amongst Christians is well, simply hogwash or incorrectly interpreted either by themselves or by others. Yes I know that's a big can of worms)

This is not to say there aren't points of contrast between Christian thought and Bataille's ideas. I can see that even as an ordinary Christian. But in all honesty if I was to compare Bataille's ideas of taboo as a doorway to the sacred with 'Christianity,' in order to offer a comparison or critique, I would not be starting with subjective, Christian experiences - with or without the self flagellators.

I would start with the Christian understanding of God's self-revelation as Father-Son-Holy Spirit (Trinity) and how humans as a man-woman one-flesh unity reflect the unity-complementarity of the Trinity. And also how human relationships are integral to God's plan and history - we do live in time-space after all. And how these relationships are but penultimate to his plan to create the Divine Family in the age to come. The spiritual union of Christ and believers (= his church = the Bride of Christ). A Family where God is known even as we are fully known.

Within this framework I can also see the how sin - transgression if you like - perverts that in the present age, creates an alternative reality which is really not reality at all. (In fact, Christians would start their defense against pre-marital sex, sex outside marriage, homosexuality, perverse sexual practices, polygamy and more from an understanding of the Trinity. Ditto for notions of authority. ) Even in my limited understanding of these things, this is where I find points of contrast with the notions of Bataille.

Ditto for his idea sacrifice, sovereignty etc. I'd be starting elsewhere.

But then, the esoterics amongst us may have better ideas.

Sorry if this is garbled. Splitting headache today.